My point at Jakes (which he deleted twice) is that the same arguments that are used to support blessing same sex unions can be used to allow foreign bishops to take oversight of congregations in TECUSA's physical boundries.
In my reading of the literature that supports blessing SSUs, I find the following arguments
- Scripture does not speak about mutually monogamous homosexual relationships, so the verses that speak against homosexual sex do not apply.
- To use scripture to deny blessing SSUs requires a literal or fundamentalist reading of scritpure.
- TECUSA has been in discernment about this for years
- We see God's grace in the lives of men and women involved in homosexual relationships.
- The Church needs to respond pastorally to its members involved in same sex unions
- It is better to be in a monogamous relationship that be promiscuous and the homosexual men and women do not choose their orientation, so being monogamous is the best they can do. We should bless the best they can do.
- The Spirit is doing a New Thing.
In the case of foreign bishops, the controlling documents are not Holy Scripture, but the Constitution and Canons of TECUSA and of the other provinces. So the same arguments can be used
- Neither TECUSA's constitution nor its canons deny any foreign bishop the ability to oversee congregations within the physical boundries of TECUSA. In fact, the C&C of TECUSA does not even apply to foreign bishops.
- To use the C&C of TECUSA to apply to foreign bishops requires a very wooden, literal, and fundamentalist reading of the canon and avoids the "general drift" of the canons - which is to include all people in a love relationship with Jesus Christ.
- Kenya, Nigeria, Uganda, and Southern Cone have been discussing this for years.
- We see God's grace in these congregations that have moved to foreign oversight, so that must be evidence that God blesses the relationship between the Bishop and the congregation
- The Church needs to respond pastorally to congregations who cannot accept the oversight of their bishop because he (or she) is espousing or teaching things that are contrary to what the Church has always taught.
- It is better to be within the Anglican Communion than to leave it or leave the Church altogether. Since these people believe they have no choice but to separate from TECUSA, we need to bless their attempts to remain in the Anglican Communion.
- The Spirit is doing a New Thing (NB - can't this argument be used to support any change in teaching or practice?)
I am not trying to show a correlation or causation between TECUSA's blessing of same sex unions and the foreign bishops having oversight of some congregations. My sole purpose it so show that the same arguments that the progressives make to support their change can be used to support this aberation from catholic order.
But Jake's method of arguing this point is to delete it. He simply lables it propaganda and says it doesn't matter. With such, it is impossible to have a reasoned discussion.
I was taught that "liberal" meant being willing to listen to arguments on almost any subject. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." But Jake is not a liberal. He doesn't want to engage in argument or debate. He wants what he wants when he wants it and be damned any who stand in his way.
What do we do in such a situation?
First, we pray.
Second, we pray
Third, we pray.
Fourth, we show forth the fruits of the Spirit and witness to the Truth. I try to do that here.